Sunday 5 March 2023

JD Wetherspoons and me; a real love - hate relationship

This is an article I've not only been meaning to write for a long time, it’s also one that has taken rather a lot of man hours to write and complete. It's a post about our old friends JD Wetherspoon, the well-known and highly successful pub chain who have outlets the length and breadth of the UK, but at the same time somehow manage to attract controversy. I first became aware of Wetherspoons pubs back in the early 1980’s, and primarily through entries in CAMRA’s Good Beer Guide, as well as local guides. At the time they were primarily a London-based operation, which often traded under the name JJ Moon's. Today of course they are a national chain with a reputation for taking on old buildings such banks, cinemas, theatres, and shops and converting them into pleasant places in which to drink.

From the word go Wetherspoons pubs have always sold cask ale, although initially the beers stocked were mainly nationally known brands, such as Courage Directors, Greene King Abbot and Youngers Scotch Bitter - whatever happened to that?  The pubs later became much more adventurous with the beers they sold, and today the line-up on the bar will often include a selection of locally brewed cask ales. Many outlets offer special promotions, of even “meet the brewer” evenings, and the entire group takes part in the beer festivals (two per year), that are a major feature of JDW.

Today the company operates getting on for 900 pubs spread across the length and breadth of the United Kingdom. There are also a handful of outlets across the Irish Sea, on both sides of the border between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland. The vast majority of Wetherspoons outlets, or "Spoons" as they are often known, were not previously pubs but involve conversions of buildings that previously had other uses. Included here are premises such as shops, cinemas, theatres. Some are so large they are often referred to as drinking barns. Unkindly, perhaps, but there is probably more than a grain of truth in this description.

Whatever their origin, Wetherspoons outlets are hugely popular, and attract a large number of devoted fans. They offer cheap beer, often at a pound cheaper per pint, than competing pubs. As we have already seen, they stock a good range of cask ales, keeping and serving them in first class condition. It is perhaps little wonder then that, 200 Wetherspoons pubs feature in the current (2023) CAMRA Good Beer Guide. All Wetherspoons outlets offer a range of cheap meal options, with various price promotions available at different times, and on different days. Their Thursday night, Curry Club has become something of a national institution, and Spoons was always a good fallback position for a cheap breakfast. For those who prefer not to have their eardrums blasted, by recorded music of any genre, JDW provide a quiet atmosphere in which to enjoy a few drinks, and a chat with friends, family, or both. More importantly, they provide a safe, non-threatening and secure environment in which to do so.

I used to be a fan, especially during the group’s early days, often making a point of visiting different JDW pubs in other parts of the country. I even attended an appeal hearing at Maidstone Crown Court in support of Wetherspoons, who were planning to open a new pub, in Tonbridge, the town I have resided in since the mid-1980’s. The appeal was successful, the court granted JDW their licence, and several months later the Humphrey Bean opened it doors, in Tonbridge’s former main Post Office building.

A decade or so later, I attended the 2010 CAMRA National AGM, which took place on the Isle of Man. One of the key motions for debate was one which sought to restrict, or even remove the link between CAMRA and Wetherspoon’s whereby vouchers are issued to members in order to obtain a discounted a pint of beer. I thought at the time that removing this incentive would alienate the younger members of campaign. There were a substantial number of cash-strapped students amongst this group, many of whom were probably attracted to join CAMRA because of the Wetherspoons voucher offer.

The motion was defeated, and the voucher scheme continued, but I do remember former CAMRA national chairman Chris Holmes, who at the time ran the highly successful Castle Rock Brewery in Nottingham, speaking out against what he viewed as unfair competition from Wetherspoons. He claimed that CAMRA’s role in supporting these vouchers, and the discounted pints they offered, compromised the group’s impartiality. Despite this claim, I voted against this motion, but with hindsight, I feel I was wrong.

It probably wasn't that long afterwards that my opinion, and views of the chain began to change. Initially, this was due to the way that JDW operated their pubs, with particular reference to the shortage of staff behind the bar, the lack of people collecting empty glasses and plates, coupled with not cleaning the tables. Plates of half-eaten food, badly stacked glasses, and sticky marks on the tables, didn't help with either, and whilst I’m sure none of this was intentional, it tends to point at not employing sufficient staff.

I’m well aware that staffing costs are amongst the highest overheads, for any business, and running the pubs on low cost basis, allows JDW to knock out beer and food at bargain basement prices, but there has to be a happy medium. There is also the issue of a hard core of drinkers who are in there from the off, necking back pints of Stella from 9am onwards. This is not a normal lifestyle by any stretch of the imagination, and whilst not wishing to come across as judgmental, the “beer for breakfast” brigade can sometimes be loud, or even leery, depending on how much they’ve already consumed.

I remember being asked by one such individual if I could lend him a fiver. I had considered reporting him to the pub’s management, but the fact he didn’t grasp the concept behind the word “loan” was enough to get rid of him, especially when I asked when he’d be able to pay me back! 

An isolated incident, perhaps but sadly not, as I can relate several other similar instances. Annoying as the above issues are, especially when combined with a lack of staff, it was the decision by Wetherspoon’s founder, chairman and chief executive Tim Martin, to throw his weight behind the Leave Campaign, during the 2016 EU referendum campaign, that persuaded me that I didn’t want to drink in his pubs anymore. It wasn’t a sudden decision, despite Mr Martin being one of the few British business leaders to back Brexit, it was a case of him not knowing when to stop.

There were the photo opportunities with the likes of Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson, both serial fantasists, and in Johnson’s case, a serial liar, as well, but the final straw for me, came with Tim Martin’s Twitter announcement that, “We've placed 500,000 beer mats in our pubs with a hard-hitting message on Brexit to parliament”. Martin was not just pushing a damaging, no-deal Brexit, but calling for a total boycott of European goods and services. (Where did he think Stella came from?) This was back in the late autumn of 2017, and I responded with a boycott of my own, writing in a blog post, “As a direct result of Tim Martin’s xenophobic, anti-European rhetoric, I will no longer be spending my hard-earned cash in any of his establishments. I have already destroyed my Spoon’s vouchers, and after 45 years membership, I will also seriously consider whether I wish to remain a member of CAMRA.”

Five and a half years later, I relented, partially to see whether anything had changed within JDW, but also because I was trying, unsuccessfully as it happened, to find a pub offering reasonably priced, lunchtime food in Henley on Thames. The Wetherspoon’s-owned, Catherine Wheel, came up trumps, as reported in the previous article, although this lavishly restored hotel, in upmarket Henley on Thames, hardly compares with your local JDW outlet in a so-called former “Red Wall” town such as Scunthorpe or Whitehaven.

Tim Martin’s support for Brexit has already come back to haunt him, especially when it comes to recruiting and retaining staff. The poisonous rhetoric, directed at our European neighbours by many Vote Leave supporters, was sufficient to persuade many workers from the EU that they were no longer welcome in Britain. This view was reinforced by many Brexit supporters, who were of the opinion that these people from eastern Europe were over here, occupying much of the available social housing and pinching their jobs as well. It was irrelevant that the jobs they were referring to were the sort that your average, Sun-reading loafer had no intention of applying for themselves.

Profits at JDW took a tumble, although the damage caused by a succession of Covid lockdowns, rising interest rates, and supply chain issues was largely responsible for this. Problems in obtaining goods has been exasperated by the government’s ludicrous decision to take the UK out of both the Customs Union and European Single Market, thereby creating barriers to trade, where none had existed before. There was no mention of this prior to the referendum, although there were claims that Brexit would remove EU red tape – yeah, right!

We now have a situation where many who voted leave now regret that decision, and many MPs on both sides of Parliament, believe that leaving the Customs Union and Single Market, was a grave mistake. They won’t admit that in public, of course, for risk of upsetting the dwindling numbers of Brexit supporters that abound up and down the country, but the tide is slowly turning against this decision, despite the best efforts of the Express, the Mail and the Torygraph.

Tim Martin too has become very quiet, possibly because he is now concentrating on his business, rather than right-wing politics. So whilst I have now dropped my rigid boycott of Spoons, I shall still look on them as "any port in a storm," so to speak. Instead, I will continue directing my support towards independently owned pubs, or those run by small breweries such as Harvey’s, Hook Norton, Adnams etc. - places that are run by local people for the benefit of local people.

The final word goes to Wetherspoons, as there is no doubt that Tim Martin is an extremely successful businessman, who has taken the traditional pub model, kept the best bits and then turned the rest of it on its head. Since their founding 40 years ago, JWD have become a national institution and part of the British psyche. Love them or loathe them, they are not going away, so it will be interesting to see how the group progresses from here.

 

 

30 comments:

jocko said...

Had 2 pints of superb Jaipur in the WIlliam Morris Hammersmith at £3 a pint on Monday also had 2 pints of superb Jaipur in the Express Brentford today at £5.90 a pint.wetjrrspoons win hands down.

retiredmartin said...

Honest question, Paul. Would your view of Spoons be different if Tim Martin had advocated remaining in the European Union ?

Ron Shakespeare said...

I love them and can't get enough of them. Like when a kid and visited the sweetshop. I tingle with energy. Great beer and good food. What's not to like. If that's the bossman's EU opinion so be it. I don't go there for political opinion. It's not question time or a reading room. I just get on with the irresponsible drinking and a troff. I'm widly travelled and been all over the country and used them. From London to Coventry and places in between. All of them are good. You should embrace them Paul. Get yourself a Wetherspoon tee sheet stand up on the bar and shout je suis Wetherpoon je suis Timothy

Paul Bailey said...

That’s a rather leading question Martin, and I will give you an honest answer. As I stated in the post, I had already become disillusioned with Spoons, primarily due to the lack of staff, and the subsequent lack of clearing the tables. There is also the issue of unfair competition, that impacts quite heavily on independent operators.

Because of their size, JDW have massive buying power, and can pass on some of the savings they achieve to their customers. Personally I prefer to give my custom to smaller businesses, who in return for higher prices, offer a more personal service than JDW.

Tim Martin’s support for leaving the European Union, was far in excess of what one would expect from a business owner. There were few other enthusiasts banging the gong for Brexit, such as James Dyson and the man who owns JCB, but their support was far more muted and much less in your face.

Tim using his largely captive audience as a means of advancing his political ideals, was disproportionate to what one would normally expect from a business owner, and when the outcome of those “ideals” started affecting me both personally and professionally, then it was time to fightback. A boycott seemed the best way of doing so.

Paul Bailey said...

Hi Ron

I’m glad that you like Spoons - horses for courses and all that! With regard to your main point about Mr Martin’s politics, I also don't go there for political opinions, and when the business owner is pushing an option that has a direct affect on me, then it’s time to take my business elsewhere.

As I said to Retired Martin, I prefer to support smaller, independently owned and run pubs, even if the beer is slightly more expensive. I’m sure I am not alone in this.

Wetherspoons might well be something of an institution these days, but that doesn’t mean that we all have to like Tim’s “beer barns.”

Professor Pie-Tin said...

Good grief, it's seven years since the referendum and you're still droning on about it.
Another whiney Remainer with a bad case of Hiroo Onoda Syndrome.
The war's over mate.
It's time to take down your I Love Guy Verhofstadt posters.
Ebay is the place for that well-thumbed but tiny book you've been reading entitled " The Political Wisdom of Anna Soubry "
Remainers convinced we're rejoining the EU are a bit like those 70-year-old Teddy Boys with Golden Virginia teeth and boot polish quiffs who think drainpipe trousers and winkle-pickers are due a comeback.
But good to hear that you're prepared to hold your nose and step into a 'Spoons for a " distressed purchase. "
Do you not realise what a pompous ass this makes you sound ?

Curmudgeon said...

You're letting Tim Martin live rent-free in your head there ;-)

And boycotting businesses because you disagree with their political stance usually turns out to be an exercise in cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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Thurston McCrew said...

I haven't heard that old chestnut about 'swivel-eyed Brexit loons' in years. Brings back all those memories of smug Vote Leavers undone by their own hubris and complacency. The main complaint here as far as I can see in this Wiki-laden moan is that Timbo was a bit of a rotter for daring to put his head above the parapet when faced with the entire Establishment, civil service, BBC and its in-house toilet paper The Guardian plus a $10million government Remain leaflet campaign to every house in the country. The rest of the nonsense about plates not being cleared and lack of staff fools no-one reading it.I wouldn't be a frequent visitor to the man's pubs but when I do they seem well-run and busy places with friendly staff and a regular, older clientele. And he employs 40,000 people. Profits of £25million in 2022 will be even higher this year as the company recovers from the Covid hiatus. I'm sure they won't miss you giving them a swerve and take your #FBPE #Reform #Rejoin #FBPR elsewhere...

Spooner said...

Hospitality is mainly a process of managing clientele. You do this with decor, prices, atmosphere, etc to decide who you want to attract and more importantly who you don't.

You seem a nice enough typical middle class remain voting guardian type with high status opinions and there are plenty of pubs out there for you. CAMRA publish a book full of them. lots of micropubs that tweet that Jeremy Corbyn is the second coming of Christ. That's your sort of pub, pal.

Spoons is our sort of pub. A pub we can drink in without the sneers of your lot. The leave beer mats should have been enough to scare you off for life. What's that going to take? Do I have to bring out the "bring back hanging" beer mats? or "sink the channel dinghies" beer mats? Don't make us. Enjoy the pubs you enjoy. don't come round spoiling the peoples pubs. You don't like the people anyway, maintain your boycott.


retiredmartin said...

"The rest of the nonsense about plates not being cleared and lack of staff fools no-one reading it."

I agree with Thurston. I probably only go in a couple of dozen Spoons a year, but they are spread around the UK and I haven't had to wait more than a minute at the bar, or noticed tables any worse than any other pub restaurant.

Where I do think Spoons have let things slip is on beer and food quality.

IncludesADrink said...

"at the lower end of the educational and evolutionary scale,"

an ugly world view.

do you think those brexit voters picked up on those sneers and you might have done better to disguise your contempt for them?

Curmudgeon said...

I find the standards of service vary between branches a lot more than is often appreciated. I certainly have seen plates and glasses left on tables for ages, but it's not everywhere.

Likewise with the food the presentation is very variable. I even recently had a half-melted ice cream, which I would have thought was very hard to mess up. I'm not sure whether the intrinsic quality of the food has deteriorated, though.

YouGottaHaveASystem said...

Wetherspoons is a system. Like McDonalds is a system. The system either works well or it doesn't. You either like it or you don't. As commentators point out, some of what it does it does very well and consistently so. Some of what it does it seems to do poorly and consistently so. Branches vary in quality but the menu doesn't. You know what you can expect and when it falls short or exceeds expectations you notice.

As you say, you don't much like it. Fair enough, don't go in.

Syd said...

"at the lower end of the educational and evolutionary scale " follows your earlier jibe about Spoons regulars as " the preponderance of over 60, stereo-typical male “gammons” ... and the terminally work-shy all-day drinker. "
The funny thing is looking at your profile picture all I see a crimson-faced bloke in his 60's who, by the size of his stomach, likes to spend his time hoisting a gallon or two.
There's none so intolerant as a supercilious socialist.

Ron Shakespeare said...

Hi Paul

Of course there are lots of pubs just as there are many different people with different tastes. We just choose where we want to drink. As for as the ones I don't bother with, then I am happy with others enjoying them. Let them get on with it all. Just enjoy the ones I use.

Looking forward to the next pub chain to be reviewed.

Curmudgeon said...

Having an opinionated founder-manager of a large business is much rarer now than it used to be. Another who springs to mind is Charlie Mullins of Pimlico Plumbers - who, of course, was a vocal opponent of Brexit ;-)

Most large companies will carefully stick to the accepted "I support the latest thing" narrative for fear of upsetting vocal lobby groups, although that in itself is political, not "keeping out of politics".

It's refreshing when someone does have the guts to speak out against the herd.

And, unless they read the magazine, the typical Spoons punter would hardly have noticed anyway.

BrexitMeansBrexit said...

It is unusual for the shareholders of a public company to allow the appointed CEO to use the company and its resources for a personal political campaign. Whilst the issue was febrile and brought out the worst in people, as is clear from your own opinion of brexit voters, there's little indication it harmed the bottom line of his pub chain. He got away with it in a manner I doubt other CEOs would.

It gave a reason for a type of person to boycott the chain who were looking for a reason and had no intention of frequenting a budget pub chain anyway.

Covid harmed his business but he fared better than competitors thanks to his app. Current losses are accounting rather than trading losses as they relate to asset disposals. Legal right offs against tax. He was possibly too slow in raising prices due to increased costs but he retains an operating profit which underpins a sound business. His debt is a little high but he has long term debentures at a low by current standards rate.

Overall it wouldn't harm him if he gave another reason for the deluded, the sanctimonious and the self righteous to boycott him again.

Anecdotally I'd observe his pubs are rammed when others are not. It appears most Brits like a bargain even if only some need a bargain.




Mr Bean said...

I am looking for a reason to boycott Smiths Inns but they all seem to be closed anyway.

I also boycott Star Bars and Pubs just because I can.

I also boycott Marstons and Greg Kings because beer is naff

I also boycott Micro pubs because I don't want to sit in strangers living rooms

Paul Bailey said...

Well, if this article has done nothing else, it’s prompted a flood of comments, from people I know, and several from people I don’t. It was just like old times receiving a put-down from Professor Pie-Tin, and Syd (differential?), adding his two penn’orth, as well. Like many others, their comments have centred mainly on Brexit, even though the first half of the article focused on the positive attributes surrounding Tim Martin and his pub chain.

I set out my stall at the start of the article, by stating I was an early enthusiast for Wetherspoons. I attended court on their behalf and was quite ready to speak in favour of their licence application for what is now the Humphrey Bean, in Tonbridge. Both before and after the hearing, Tim Martin came over and spoke personally to my friends and I, thanking us for our support.

With this in mind, back in the last two decades of the 20th Century, the opening of a JDW outlet, in an unfamiliar town, was something to be welcomed. It brought with it an increased choice, particularly of cask ale, and also forced many local licensees to up their game. It’s no surprise that apart from the police, the group originally opposing Spoon’s Tonbridge application was the local LVA (Licensed Victuallers Association), although they later withdrew their application.

I also referred to Wetherspoon’s track record of breathing new life into otherwise redundant buildings, and here the group has carried some exemplary conversions. Finally, I mentioned the group’s famous Curry Night, the regular beer festivals, plus events such as “meet the brewer” evenings. Although I initially supported the voucher scheme as a means of encouraging younger people to join CAMRA, I reversed my stance when I realised it compromised the campaign’s impartiality, and it was then that my support for Wetherspoons began to decrease.

I won’t go over any of the Brexit arguments again, especially as people have entrenched positions on this, even seven years on from the referendum. The latter didn’t do David Cameron any good, and it hasn’t really helped the Conservative party either, or the country, for that matter, but moving swiftly on, it would be nice if people followed protocol when commenting on someone’s blog, and played the ball, rather than the man!

Unlike some blogs, I don’t want to introduce comment moderation, but there have been some rather personal attacks, that are unwarranted and unnecessary. I may well be crimson-faced and overweight, although I’ve never been a gallon of ale man, but appearance has little to do with a person’s views, his though processes or integrity. I am not a socialist, and I’m just as likely to read the Spectator, as the Guardian. I would read the Telegraph too is it wasn’t hidden behind a paywall.

So, please bear the above in mind when posting, and let’s look for common ground, as I’m sure there are more things for us to agree about, then there are points to disagree over.

Dave said...

Well replied Paul. I agree the vitriolic responses missed the bulk of what you wrote about. I don't agree with everything you said, but most of the criticism didn't even engage with your main points. As you said they went personal and focused on the timing of Brexit. We still have people fighting over the civil war and they don't get the anger directed at them that you received. Very strange stuff.

retiredmartin said...

This has certainly been an interesting discussion, Paul, and I give you great credit for not moderating comments.

Professor Pie-Tin said...

Appealing for considerate and polite responses after branding Spoons customers work-shy gammons at the lower end of the educational and evolutionary scale does take some brass neck in fairness.

Q said...

Yeh, fair play to you.
Mudgie set his trolls on you but unlike him, you didn't delete all the comment disagreeing with you.
You're less of a snowflake than Mudgie, gotta give you that.

Curmudgeon said...

@Q: I have never rejected comments purely because they disagree with me - if you look through my comments there are plenty that do just that. I have rejected comments that are either personally offensive, obscene or totally irrelevant, which seems entirely reasonable to me. I don't provide a platform for people to call me a cunt. But hey matey, keep the lies flowing...

I have only turned comment moderation on because I have been subjected to a sustained campaign of malevolent, targeted trolling. It isn't you, is it?

Curmudgeon said...

@Paul - maybe if trying to give a balanced view of Wetherspoon's, it might have been better to say something like "Tim Martin's vocal support for Brexit rather stuck in my craw" rather than engaging in a lengthy diatribe about the general principles of the issue which has little relevance to the pubs.

@Dave - the Civil War is well beyond living memory, but if people were still actively rejecting its conclusion and seeking to reverse its outcome I imagine there might be a considerable degree of acrimony. And I get the impression that the general level of vitriol on US social media over political issues is considerably greater than that in the UK.

Paul Bailey said...

Just a few more points before closing the comments on what retired martin has described as “an interesting discussion.” Mudgie, has explained why he has been forced to use comment moderation, which is something I will only use as a last resort. I’m not sure what you mean Q about Mudgie setting his trolls on me, as this certainly was not the case, although there was some troll-like behaviour from a few of the correspondents – mainly the ones hiding behind pseudonyms.

Dave makes an interesting point about people in the US, still fighting over a civil war that ended, 150 years ago. The “war between the states” was obviously a far more serious issue than Brexit, although you wouldn’t think so from some of the comments – and these were from people who allegedly won!

On the plus side, and possibly because of the divisive nature of Brexit, the post attracted far more page views, plus a much higher level of comments, than my usual non-controversial articles on pub outings, brewery visits and trips out normally do.

This could run and run, but it’s time now to draw a line under Tim and his pub chain, so whilst I shan’t be accepting any further comments on this subject, thank-you to all who have contributed to the debate.

Q said...

Mudge picks his faragey trolls up on the twitter, It's from there he pointed them at you. Doubt they'd of found you otherwise

Curmudgeon said...

I posted a link to this blog on Twitter, which seems reasonable enough to me. The Prof has previously said he doesn't use Twitter, and none of them are names I know from those I regularly interact with on Twitter. They're far more likely to have picked up the link from my blogroll.

I realise in view of the above you may delete this comment (which is your prerogative) but I thought I ought to add a word of explanation.

Paul Bailey said...

Mudge and Q, seeing as you have both provided an explanation as to what happened, there is no need for me to delete your comments. It all makes perfect sense, even though you both seem to contradict one another, as to how the vitriolic trolls found their way to my site.

The power of Twitter, perhaps? or perhaps not, but at the end of the day, no real harm has been done, so we can draw a line under it, and finally say, no more comments on this post.