Thursday, 2 May 2024

Is a cheap and cheerful pub lunch too much to ask for?

I've been meaning to write a post on this particular topic for quite some time now, and whilst I encounter its effects more often than I would like, for some reason I keep putting off trying to get to grips with it. It’s high time then that I broached the subject and came clean, about what has become a real bugbear of mine. I am talking about the increasingly divisive subject of an affordable pub lunch, something that many of us will have taken for granted but which, in these changing times, seems to have morphed into something completely different.

I don’t often get the chance to enjoy a pint or two at lunchtime, what with me still working three days a week, but when I do well it’s a welcome treat. That applies equally to whether it’s somewhere familiar, and close to home, or a place further afield, such as on a visit to a new town, or different location. Those who know me will be aware that, on such occasions, I like to partake of a little solid refreshment, to accompany that provided by the liquid enjoyment of a couple of pints.

It's an old habit, and one that relates to a dislike of drinking on an empty stomach. I’m not sure where that came from, although I suspect it is due to me not wishing to miss my lunch. However, leaving aside any sarcastic comments from the likes of Cooking Lager about my waistline here, for what it’s worth, is my reasoning behind this. There's probably not a lot of truth in the saying that solid food helps soak up the beer, when consumed reasonably close together. Personally, I think that it’s more the case that alcohol isn’t absorbed quite a fast when food is present.

So, all those Friday lunchtime sessions, of a few pints with one’s colleagues, probably have a lot to answer for, as none of us wanted to return to the workplace feeling half-cut, and a quick roll or sandwich at the pub, may well have helped maintain a sober demeanour. Pub-grub wasn’t that sophisticated in those days, and a toasted sandwich, a scotch egg, pork pie, or something from the hot cabinet, usually sufficed. Fast forward 40 years or so, and unless I'm out for a meal with the family, or it’s a business occasion – incredibly rare these days, I still prefer a light snack at lunchtime. Pre-filled rolls remain the best option, and whilst these are really readily available in both the Midlands and the North, the opposite applies in London and the south east.

In these parts of the country, the simple sandwich has ceased to exist, and if it is available, the description simple, no longer applies. Instead, the hungry trencherman is served a filling, between thick-cut slices of artisan bread – nothing wrong with that so far, but when its embellished with some type of greenery, ranging from few springs of rocket to a full-blown, and largely unwanted salad, complete with a fancy dressing that’s going to affect the taste of the beer, that’s a different matter. Even that is not enough for certain establishments, so why not chuck in a handful of crisps for good measure?

No thanks if I want crisps, I will buy a packet, end of! Some pubs go a stage further and insist on offering chips with a sandwich as well.  All these unwanted “extras” bump up the price, so much so that it’s not uncommon to be looking at £7 to £10 for a simple sandwich, especially in some of the posh “dining pubs” in the southeast. The trouble is, it is increasingly rare to find any pubs in this part of the country, where a simple sandwich or a filled roll is available.

Contrast this to the West Midlands, an area I have visited on two separate occasions, these past couple of years, where cheese rolls (cobs) are readily available in many pubs (often from under a plastic cover, on the bar), and priced at just £3.00 each. In addition, full-blown meals can also be obtained at bargain prices. On our tour of the Black Country, local pub man, Stafford Paul and I enjoyed a lunchtime meal of steak pie/faggots, chips, mushy peas, and gravy, for just £5.00 a head, at the Vine, at Brierley Hill, (the landmark Batham’s Brewery tap). The previous year, participants on the “Proper Day Out” in Birmingham, had a choice of two pubs to eat in, (Barton’s Arms, plus Hen & Chickens), both serving some amazing Asian food. Admittedly not as cheap as at the Vine, or in Sheffield’s Fat Cat – see below, but still at prices far lower than we encounter, in this part of the country.

The aforementioned visit to Sheffield, took place just under two years ago, and prior to meeting up with local pub connoisseur, Sheffield Hatter, and adopted son of the city, Retired Martin and I enjoyed an equally good value lunchtime meal of steak pie, with potato wedges, mushy peas, and gravy, for just £5.50, at the city’s legendary Fat Cat pub. One could expect to pay double these prices for this type of pub-grub in the south east, and in some places triple.

It's unclear why there should be this disparity between the high price of pub food in the south compared with the relatively low cost in the north, but it clearly exists, as the examples shown above, prove. What is of more concern, is the way this divergence continues in the way it does, with the two areas of the country almost in blissful ignorance of what is happening in the other. The emergence of posh, high-end dining pubs has almost certainly help to skew the disparity, although with much of my argument resting on the relatively small number of northern pubs I have experienced in recent years, I may of course, be totally wrong.

Footnote: “Drinkers and diners have expressed their sadness following the sudden closure of the Barton's Arms in Aston. The leaseholder announced it was shutting the landmark pub and restaurant on Wednesday (Jan 31) citing spiralling energy and business costs.”  Birmingham Mail 1 Feb 2024

 

 

33 comments:

Stafford Paul said...

Paul,
It small brewers having not suffered from the 1989 Beer Orders that still gives us proper good value meals in Bathams and Holdens pubs, like on our recent visit to the Vine and the equivalent in Codsall Station since then.
I had a similarly excellent meal in Sheffield's Fat Cat two years ago.
As for "something from the hot cabinet" I enjoyed a Scotch Pie at £3 from the famous one in the Laurieston earlier this week. I didn't though wash it down with their Tartan Special or McEwans Export.

Toddy said...

Well, where do I start? Some of that food in the photographs does not look that appetizing so not many would miss that. As for pubs putting on ‘snacks’ for casual part time beer writers, that is not going to happen either.

Pubs will nail themselves to the mast of a ‘food pub’ where they will have certain substantial costs, they must recover to sustain a living. For that reason alone, they will not be giving away cheap products.

Those more wet led will not really find they have the turnover to make it worthwhile putting on a few cobs. There may be a sweet spot in the middle that some could support snacks, but I suspect not that many. The Black Country experience you speak of is unique to that part of the world and is sustained by a regular dependable custom base.

You see you really must pay a decent price for somebody to supply your food. Pubs are not just there as beer writer’s plaything. Heavens above.

You should also know that the North and the South are different and of course there are disparities. If you widened your scope of the North, you would find that the cheap food is not as widespread as you may think.

Paul Bailey said...

Paul,

I agree that small family brewers, such as Bathams and Holdens, offer excellent value meals, and this used to be the case, here in the south east. However, with the disappearance of brewers such as King & Barnes, Brakspears, Ridleys, and Gales to name just a few, there are few pub operators left flying the flag for reasonably priced food.

A Scotch Pie sounds really good, but such delights are rarely seen in this neck of the woods. I believe that local, independent supermarket, Jempson’s sell them, as do Iceland.

Paul Bailey said...

Hi Toddy

Thank you for your lengthy feedback, even though I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to say.

I’m equally confused when it comes to responding, so apart from denying any charges that I’m expecting something for nothing, I shall leave it at that.

Curmudgeon said...

Entirely agreed - finding decent-value sandwiches and snack meals in pubs has become increasingly difficult. Even when they are available they tend to be very expensive and come with all kinds of unnecessary fripperies. And why do so many pubs feel the need to serve sandwiches with chips as a default?

I think the good-value cobs on the bar are largely confined to the Midlands. It's certainly not something often seen in the North.

said...

Crown Posada in Newcastle had until 2 years ago at least cling film wrapped rolls, babs ie buns, fillings were ham, ham and pease pudding and perhaps cheese. Victoria in Durham used to have pickled eggs for 50p until the lady who made them died (?). They now have ham and ham and cheese toasties which Phil the barman always manages to burn.

Stafford Paul said...

Paul,
I'm certain that you'd love proper Scotch Pies, north of the border and in a proper pub of course.

Curmudgeon said...

I had a good-value straightforward Ploughman's in the Anchor in Sevenoaks in 2017, which according to WhatPub still seems to be going strong.

Paul Bailey said...

Mudgie, the Anchor at Sevenoaks continues to offer extremely good value pub lunches, but as it's so close to home, I tend to overlook it, certainly as a place to enjoy a good lunch.

Barry, is very much a "hands on" landlord of the old school variety, and this is reflected in the type of food available at the Anchor. You certainly won't find chips served up with your sandwich, there!

Paul Bailey said...

“Said”, a visit to Newcastle, is long overdue, so far as I am, concerned, and the Crown Posada is certainly on my list of pubs to enjoy a drink, whilst in the city. I shall look out for the cling film wrapped, filled rolls, and report back accordingly.

Cooking Lager said...

Yo Arbuckle,
If only someone would come up with the idea of a nationwide chain of pubs with outlets on every high street offering pie and chips for a fiver or an all-day breakfast for less to satisfy the appetites of gargantuan gourmands like yourself who struggle to last the short time between lunch and dinner with only a wafer-thin mint to tide them over ....

Stafford Paul. said...

Cookie,
I found something like that in Glasgow last Monday morning, but £5.75 for a breakfast that lacked tomato and sausage and was only slightly warmer than my Abbot Reserve which wasn't drinking very well.

Spinko said...

I've entertained the idea of running a micropub (thought better of it) and always imagined that a 20-30 daily creation of filled barmcakes at £4 would likely be the best profit maker. Ten minutes' work.

Corned beef & onion, ham & mustard. Food is very cheap in this country so the margins would be good.

Curmudgeon said...

@Cookie - Spoons are often the only option for snack meals in pubs. But they don't do conventional sandwiches, and they've long since stopped doing a Ploughman's.

Cooking Lager said...

Ah those halcyon days before HACCP and 'elf and safety when a humble cheese and onion cob could be knocked up by the publican's wife in her kitchen and stored at room temperature on a bar top for hours on the off chance a tubby beer blogger needed some soakage between pints.
You don't want to drink on an empty stomach ? Have a sarnie before you go to the pub and stop being so precious.
And consider the irony of reporting on a pub closing in the same post as you demand grub in wet-led pubs at prices where the landlord might as well give it away for all the profit he'd make on it.

retiredmartin said...

Pubs with simple lunches such as Sheffield's Fat Cat are few and far between, aren't they Paul ?

Stafford Paul said...

Hatred of the added salad and chips is not only from us paying £10 for a sandwich but also with us all growing up not many years after rationing finished and being taught NEVER to waste food.

Paul Bailey said...

Martin, unfortunately the type of pubs offering cheap and cheerful lunches, are few and far between, but they still exist, if you know where to look.

Having to employ a chef for the main meals, does mean the extra costs this entails, spills over to the prices charged for snacks. If they can "justify" these higher prices, by throwing in a few lettuce leaves, or some crisps, whilst at the same time absolve any feelings of guilt they may have, they will then do so.

Although it pains me to say so, Cooking Lager is probably right when it comes to over zealous, food hygiene inspectors, although surely knocking up a few cheese cobs, in a suitably clean area, is not going to harm anyone.

Paul Bailey said...

Yes Paul, with food rationing finally finishing in 1954, ten years after the end of World War II, not wasting food was certainly drummed into us post-war kids, from an early age.

Not being able to leave the table, until your plate was empty, was also part and parcel of growing up in the late 50's - early 60's. To this day, I still hate to see food being wasted.

Stafford Paul said...

Cookie,
I think we all agree that there was no harm in "a humble cheese and onion cob could be knocked up by the publican's wife in her kitchen and stored at room temperature on a bar top for hours".
The problem now is the Food Standards Agency. Their Food Hygiene Rating system can be little more than a box ticking exercise for a chain that gets the top '5' for 99% of their venues despite a history of rats and various infestations. Meanwhile premises owners, such as a butchers near me, that can't or wont deal with paperwork get a '0' or '1' despite their shop being very clean. And a Bristol pub that "stinks of cat piss" gets a '4'.

Anonymous said...

The Curse Of The Sunday Roast....even in pubs where you can get a lunchtime sandwich during the rest of the week it's often a roast dinner or crisps on a Sunday. Why some of said roast can't be put between two slices of bread I've no idea. Takes about ten seconds to do and puts a fiver in the till.

Stafford Paul said...

Anonymous,
On a Tuesday last month Stafford's Bird in Hand was offering similar, a small roast dinner for £5. It was excellent value, and nothing wrong with it mainly being leftover from the Sunday carvery. It's unusual for a Black Country Ales pub but I think does the best food in town.

Emmanuel Thomas said...

We publicans are running pubs you know, there’s plenty of fast food joints out there if you are after food. Those days where the brewery employed a management couple and they paid an additional catering rent for the wife to run the food, there gone. Asking for cheap food is akin to asking your plumber to do cash in hand to avoid the VAT and Income Tax.

Regards the bloke who reckons he can knock up 20 – 30 cobs in 10 minutes. Well it’s perhaps a good job he never opened his Micro Pub.

Then there’s the person that expects a food business to put some roast between bread in 10 seconds, during the most important food trading session in the week. What business sense dictates they sell cheaper product alongside what is the main business that pays for all the sunk costs.

Come on fellas you sound like you don’t know how the business operates.

Spangles said...

Hey Paul

I'm coming down to Kent next week. Can I pop over to yours and give you a rat a tat tat on your door. Just a cheese sandwich will do. You must have a bit of spare cheese hanging around and a few slices of Sunblest. Happy Holidays. Bobby

Mrs Miggins said...

Come down to Mrs Miggins Micro Pie Shops. There lots of them around now. Vacant pubs turned into amateur pie shops selling cheap pies. Steak, Cheese or Kidney

Mrs Miggins – yesterdays food at yesterday’s prices!

retiredmartin said...

Not quite a micro, but the Wellington in Sheffield sells large cobs a quid meeting your requirements. Matched with quality crisps and Neepsend beer for £3.30 or so it's become my favourite Sheff pub of late.

retiredmartin said...

I thought the cheap food contributed to the Bird in Hand having a fantastic atmosphere when I visited a year or so back.

Stafford Paul said...

Martin,
Not just cheap but also very good quality food, and there's three other rooms to leave the Bar for drinkers.
The Felinfoel Double Dragon was drinking well when I was in last month.
Branch AGM there later this month.

Paul Bailey said...

Lots of good feedback here, so thanks to everyone who has contributed, even if I don’t get round to mentioning you all by name.

First, it’s good to learn there are still pubs offering good value lunches, and long may this continue, despite all the doom mongers and nay sayers.. There have been some rather odd suggestions, such as sticking some meat from the Sunday roast, between a couple of slices of bread. There was also Mrs Miggins, piemaker to the Queen of England. She sounds more like a character from the Blackadder Series, than a real person, although pubs offering proper handmade pies, from the bakers down the road, get my vote.

Second, there’s no “demand” on my part for pubs to start offering cheap food, just an honest plea to “posh diners” that if you’re going to include sandwiches on your menu, please don’t tart them up with unwanted frippery. I include crips here, as well as those sprinklings of rocket leaves, that add to the preparation time, as well as the cost. Niine times out of ten they are unwanted, by the customer, and all they do is add to the cost.

Things are unlikely to change when it comes to posh dining, but fortunately such places are easy to spot in advance, thanks to What Pub and other similar sites, and if there’s no alternative in the area, then at least you know what you are getting. If you’re hiking, like I sometimes am, then plan ahead and bring some sandwiches along. Not to eat in the pub garden, as I witnessed a group of ramblers, unashamedly doing last summer!

Finally, I assume you are a real licensee, Emanuel Thomas. If so, I agree with most of what you say, although I’ve never yet met a plumber who isn’t averse to being paid in cash!

Cooking Lager said...

Yo Arbuckle,
I can believe you're demanding less food on your plate.
Strange times indeed.

Curmudgeon said...

Had a few days in West Sussex this week and found not not too badly priced sandwiches in a couple of quite upmarket establishments. I'm not averse to few crisps and a bit of salad with a sandwich, but chips definitely aren't appropriate.

I also in general didn't encounter any cask beer above £5, which makes it cheaper than the Stockport suburbs. The one exception was, predictably, the bare-boards alehouse.

Paul Bailey said...

West Sussex, has the advantage of being that much further away from the capital, so I imagine this has a positive impact on the price of beer and food.

Can we expect a report of your visit, in due course, as it will be interesting to see what you found in the county.

ps. A scattering of crisps are fine with a sandwich, as long as they don't inflate the price by too much.

Curmudgeon said...

@Paul - you know I don't tend to do "what I did on my holidays" type posts, unless I want to make a particular point.

But you may have seen my Facebook post about value for money in tourist attractions.